Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Jennifer Diane Reitz » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:51 pm

Check out the top 25 censored news stories for 2009 - these are real events, actual stuff that the media refused to make commonly available. The stuff is true, this isn't a joke, or some loony... it's all real.

And... it is gut level terrifying.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/category/y-2009

Here's the index list itself:

* #1. Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation
* # 2 Security and Prosperity Partnership: Militarized NAFTA
* # 3 InfraGard: The FBI Deputizes Business
* # 4 ILEA: Is the US Restarting Dirty Wars in Latin America?
* # 5 Seizing War Protesters’ Assets
* # 6 The Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
* # 7 Guest Workers Inc.: Fraud and Human Trafficking
* # 8 Executive Orders Can Be Changed Secretly
* #9 Iraq and Afghanistan Vets Testify
* # 10 APA Complicit in CIA Torture
* # 11 El Salvador’s Water Privatization and the Global War on Terror
* # 12 Bush Profiteers Collect Billions From No Child Left Behind
* # 13 Tracking Billions of Dollars Lost in Iraq
* # 14 Mainstreaming Nuclear Waste
* # 15 Worldwide Slavery
* # 16 Annual Survey on Trade Union Rights
* # 17 UN’s Empty Declaration of Indigenous Rights
* # 18 Cruelty and Death in Juvenile Detention Centers
* # 19 Indigenous Herders and Small Farmers Fight Livestock Extinction
* # 20 Marijuana Arrests Set New Record
* # 21 NATO Considers “First Strike” Nuclear Option
* # 22 CARE Rejects US Food Aid
* # 23 FDA Complicit in Pushing Pharmaceutical Drugs
* # 24 Japan Questions 9/11 and the Global War on Terror
* # 25 Bush’s Real Problem with Eliot Spitzer

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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby marinschild » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:10 am

I don't know if it is because I am sullen and withdrawn right now, but this list doesn't affect me at all. I believe I should be scared, but this just confirms what I already believed. These people will get away with everything they've done because there is no justice in the world.
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Anna » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:16 am

Bookmarked

The election for european parliament last sunday, this time I didn't vote for one of the big ones
I did vote for the Piratenpartei. Pirate Party
Why?
The don't work only for copyright free things, they fighting for civil rights, against censorhip even in the internet, freedom for information.
In sweden they made it, they have now a seat in the european parliament.
The germans did only 0,9 % not enough but important, and they are very more left winged than the swedish.

Why did I vote for them?
For example
Here in Germany is a discussion about blocking the web, in this case it is against child abuse, child porn, in the end you could be criminalised if you get one of these websites. But in all consequences it would become a major censorship.
And the politicians didn't notice it, they shouting against the evil people who wants to protect the child abuse...
They didn't understand that the people doesn't want to protect child porn, they want to protect the civil rights!

One activist said, he did more for blocking child porn sites by simply writing an e-mail to the provider, which is more effective.
You see, the law which is planned wouldn't fight child porn directly, it blocks with a stop sign, a good hacker can find other ways, and you can be scanned if you reaches the stop sign, but not a hacker who made it.
So real child porn guys could find easily ways to get to the sites.

So the ignorance of the politicians to the real concerns of the people loosing the freedom piece by piece made me vote for the Piratenpartei.

http://www.pp-international.net/
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Relee » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:00 pm

Worse than YOU thought? That's pretty bad.
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Kosmonauta » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:13 pm

I come from a country that had too recently a dictatorship (i was born during such govern). During those days, they kept the media from publishing any event that could impact negatively the government. Our journalists are, to this date, very sensitive of such practices and we never really fear the government control of the media... 'till recent inversion of events.
The biggest tv network decided to undermine a candidate (who is now our president and I am proud of that even if I don't approve his government). The same thing happened in a couple other countries in south america. The media is a powerful tool, in whatever hands. It surprises me greatly to see here in America how strongly opinionative your journalists are. I suppose that having both sides represented (conservative vs. liberal) that can be less hurtful, but I have to tell you, we had pretty bad experiences down south with that, and Chaves government in Venezuela is child to that (I despise the guy, mind me saying).
News providers should always attempt neutrality, I say.
(and opinionative is better than not even showing the news, I suppose)
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Jennifer Diane Reitz » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:42 am

Kosmonauta wrote:I come from a country that had too recently a dictatorship


Welcome, Kosmonauta!

I have a question, then.

I have seen the United States change around me for the past decade or so, and the direction it seems to be taking - to my perception at least - is a direction that looks kind of like a dictatorship. Well, maybe not a dictatorship so much as a corporate totalitarian state.

Yes. That is what it seems like to me. A totalitarian state controlled by corporate interests.

I imagine that dictatorships, and totalitarian corporate states would share a lot in common, at least in terms of control of media, elimination of rights and freedoms, controls on people and the freedom they have, and the elimination or erosion of basic rights. Absolute control, whatever the form, I reason, uses the same toolbox.

So, from your more experienced viewpoint, do you have an opinion on where the country in which I live is headed? Is there anything you perceive - whether in what you have read, or seen, or heard about, or whatever - that would give you the same impression as I have about the US?

Or am I, in your view, just being a silly alarmist about the changes that seem to have happened?

I mean, I figure you might have seen crap that I only worry about, and so your opinion would likely matter more than mine because of that.
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Relee » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:12 am

I've noticed that people here in Canada and down in the United States don't believe it's possible for our governments to change to a police state. They don't believe the people would stand for it. Yet isn't that normal? Aren't police states more common, world-wide, than free nations like Canada and the United States (supposedly) strive to be?

Aren't we the exception, rather than the rule?
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Kosmonauta » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:27 pm

Jennifer Diane Reitz wrote:(...) So, from your more experienced viewpoint, do you have an opinion on where the country in which I live is headed? Is there anything you perceive - whether in what you have read, or seen, or heard about, or whatever - that would give you the same impression as I have about the US?

Or am I, in your view, just being a silly alarmist about the changes that seem to have happened?

I mean, I figure you might have seen crap that I only worry about, and so your opinion would likely matter more than mine because of that.


There is a myth that is propagated to keep people from complaining or worrying, and it's the myth that your situation is very good because there is people starving somewhere in Africa. The fact that there are worse situations do not mean that you are not right in be concerned and voice that concern. It is by doing so that you avoid ever getting to that bad a situation, and thus you may even put yourself in condition to help those in that situation.
So, no, I do not think you are an alarmist. Yes, I've read here some of your opinions that I do think are overreactions here and there. But I don't think this makes your concern wrong. I do agree with the view that the united states (and many of the western free countries) is in risk to fall into "corporative totalitarianism". And when I cited the even where a media giant tried to interfere with the elections in my country by portraying one of the candidates in a negative fashion, propagating opinion as if it where news and manipulating public opinion, it is exactly that risk that I am talking about. I can point many similar cases in Latin America. Corporations are, more and more, starting to interfere with government in manners that are questionable if not outright illegal. And yes, the same has happened in the united states, even if no one has been so bold thus far as to try to manipulate elections in such direct manners (although honestly FOX reporting of the current administration is concerning to me - with first hand experience on such manipulations - but to grant fairness, so is MSNBC's).

Sure, I have seem people disappear for voicing their opinions (and I am thankful that my dad's activism never got him into that list for I rather have a living father that a dead hero) and you have not. Sure I have seem people who didn't disappear, but came back from prison with awful stories of torture. And mind me saying, all that was made in the name of freedom and democracy. Aounds familiar to anyone? But despite those familiarities I am quite sure those things do not happen and are not close to happen in the united states in the scale they happened in my country, but yes, the steps you take now can lead you towards that point some day, or not. Be concerned and take action now, it is better than suffering to learn later.
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby MisterCat » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:18 am

To some folks this might not seem like something to worry about, but seeing "* # 22 CARE Rejects US Food Aid" on that list of important events which have been banned from the public discourse reminded me of a recent article I'd read: a so-called charitable organization, named Make-A-Wish Foundation, refused a modest donation because the money was raised by young women who held a car wash. What did those car washers do wrong? They wore bikinis! Bikinis! Shock, awe and horror!

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What concerns me about this matter is a resurgence of Puritanism in which individuals, or groups of individuals, are depicted by corporations as immoral based upon attire. Like, how shallow can one get? Make-A-Wish Foundation needs to publish a dress code for those wanting to make donations so we can have a good laugh all around.

:roll:

Next thing you know, employers will be asking job seekers and workers "What do you wear outside the workplace?" or even "What do you wear in the privacy of your own home?" Many of the same people who decry what they assert to be government interference are somehow quite comfortable with corporate interference. Does that seem logical - let alone right - to you?

:boggled:

There's no better way for fascism to appear legitimate than for it to be embraced by feel-good corporations. "You'd like to help dying little Johnny realize his dream and meet Newt Gingrich? Your donation is certainly welcomed, but first we must ask you some questions. What sort of music do you listen to? What do you wear? What sort of books do you read? If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you like to be? What do you like to eat? What are the names of your friends?"

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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Relee » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:43 am

MisterCat wrote:Next thing you know, employers will be asking job seekers and workers "What do you wear outside the workplace?" or even "What do you wear in the privacy of your own home?" Many of the same people who decry what they assert to be government interference are somehow quite comfortable with corporate interference. Does that seem logical - let alone right - to you?


A lot of companies already do that. Most low-level ones don't, but the higher you get the more they expect you to dedicate your life, your whole life, to the job. You represent them both in and outside of the office. Customers and clients won't trust you if they see you being wild and crazy on your own time.

The limit on that has been going down, smaller and less important people are required to have certain behaviors, and if rumors get back to their superiors they really will get fired, to make an example and to prove to the customers/clients that the company doesn't stand for it. Companies are certainly able to make any demands they want, because people are desperate for work. When your family is hungry and there's no other jobs, you'll do as you're told and pretend that you like it untill you forget that you don't.
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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby strange_person » Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:17 pm

http://www.thebricktestament.com/revela ... 6_15b.html

John of Patmos wrote: Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby MisterCat » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:15 pm

I'm very glad to be retired from the workplace! Fortunately, my working life took place during an era when all I had to do was - my job. What I did on my own time was my own business. I'd no sooner retired when along came a tsunami of Harvard M.B.A.s; and suddenly personnel departments became "human resources" departments, complaint departments became "customer service" departments, union representation vanished and was replaced by "personal services" contracts, polygraph examinations were introduced ("Have you ever stolen a pencil?" "Have you ever smoked marijuana?") and workplace environments became replications of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory.

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Re: Things are worse than I thought!

Postby Shackler » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:32 am

I actually prefer "human resources" to "personnel."
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