Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby draque » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:00 pm

strange_person wrote:What you said


Ok, I can see what you're getting at here... but that sort of H2 synthesis is way out of our technological range, assuming it's even possible to separate from heavier elements via an electrolytic process. By the time we get to that point, there's every likelihood that we'll have solved the problem in another fashion. I was mostly sticking to tech that's either within our grasp now or will be in the very near future.
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby strange_person » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:47 pm

No, no... the separation of the oxygen from the heavier stuff occurs spontaneously, through reaction with the hydrogen. The heavier stuff might be used for something, or discarded as waste, I dunno. The point was to get oxygen for use in earth orbit, with existing technology, in a way that would be cheaper than shipping atmospheric oxygen up Earth's gravity well.

The hydrogen is brought in from planetside, along with the mining equipment, and recycled indefinitely.
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby OtakuMan » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:49 pm

I'm afraid you miserable peons are a little too late on the uptake. You see while you have been constantly blithering and theorizing about using the Moon's natural resources for an alternative fuel source...

...I've already hijacked the frikkin' thing and have used those resources to manufacture this little baby:

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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby draque » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:44 pm

strange_person wrote:The hydrogen is brought in from planetside, along with the mining equipment, and recycled indefinitely.


Right, this was what I was getting at. I understood what you were saying. What I'm saying is that there isn't currently any technology that will allow electrolysis to separate hydrogen from heavy elements. Even the electrolytic process that removes hydrogen from lighter elements is very expensive in terms of power, and I'm not sure that it would be possible to use it with heavier elements at all. Once the hydrogen was bonded to the heavier elements, I do not believe recycling it would be something we could do with current technology while staying within the bounds of energy and material constraints.
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby Thilia » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:54 am

strange_person wrote:You mix the hydrogen with the moon rocks, producing water with a suspension of deoxygenated moonrock.


That's the problem with living on the moon. The food is terrible,
and...
there's no atmosphere!

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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby Monocheres » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:50 am

Thilia wrote:That's the problem with living on the moon. The food is terrible,
and...there's no atmosphere!

Like so many restaurants I've been to...
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Re: Space-Sunoco

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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby macksting » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:03 am

I suppose you could just build at the poles, too. Except that wouldn't really maximize power production, necessary for a lot of purposes.
After all, if the moon's escape velocity is fairly low, you might be able to launch spacecraft with a railgun assembly. :) Saves on reaction mass.
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby arex » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:04 am

Railguns on the moon would be a great way to attack the Earth. Just sayin'.



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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby Alfador » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:15 am

Throw rocks at 'em, Mike!
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby strange_person » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:11 am

That's my Death Note contingency plan. Page after page of "_________ dies of a space-rock upside the head, _ _:_ _:_ _ MM/DD/YYYY" Why bother calling in elite detectives when we're obviously under attack by aliens?
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby RaharuAharu » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:18 am

strange_person wrote:That's my Death Note contingency plan. Page after page of "_________ dies of a space-rock upside the head, _ _:_ _:_ _ MM/DD/YYYY" Why bother calling in elite detectives when we're obviously under attack by aliens?



Ohhh, we are not going to take the rap for that!

Don't even try using your death note on me either, they are species locked.
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Re: Space-Sunoco

Postby strange_person » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:47 pm

Don't worry about it, I haven't got one, and anyway the whole thing is contingent on me deciding to use it at all. I am fully aware that human-oriented death notes are ineffectual against non-humans. You have your own gods, and your own weaknesses; even a halo might work.

Also, if I were to restructure the world through some supernatural capability, I would be careful to get some UPS or Soy Sauce or something beforehand, and confirm that any entity in a position to oppose my will would have no motivation to do so.
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