#299 Therapy


Kaye Haychold's ambitious plan

#299 Therapy

Postby Cardboard Box » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:34 pm

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Oh, Muri, Muri, Muri...

Is that what Kaywai wanted all along? To please her therapist? As well as change herself utterly?

This strip bewilders me. Obviously. Kaye is, clearly, seriously messed - no, let's not mince words - fucked up.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Anna » Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:19 am

Why did Kaye once want a H-hold?
Was it a wrong wish, and can a wish be wrong?

Why is a H-hold, a high developed technical device, only for laughs?
Wouldn't it be a waste of time to create such things only for laugh?
For what was it really create?

However, don't trust any therapists, they also don't trust you.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Volair » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:18 am

Now this is a thing that should have been obvious to me the minute I realized Kay was the only one still hell-bent on wiping out humanity:

This Kay is from one MASSIVELY fucked-up splay.

She's from one where a really awful epithet is just what you call the Jellese.

She's from a splay where the Jellese are second-class citizens, to some degree, and where her feelings of desire for humanity, her deep-seated need to be one of them, were twisted under the yolk of this soft oppression into something truly astonishing: a massively splintered case of Stockholm Syndrome that makes her love and hate them simultaneously and with such intensity that she, unlike so many Kays who merely felt a need to transform themselves, is truly mad.

She wants to destroy herself, because the only possibility of happiness she can even imagine is to never have felt what she feels in the first place.

Such a terrible case of madness-- one marvels at all those Kays, those thousands of ships worth, who all were mad, as she, but all of whom stopped there, and chose to accept the transformation they had found over the one that they had chased after. But their survival now depends on this Kay, who by the simple measure of her still being on this path is easily the very worst abused of them all, either changing her mind or being stopped.

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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby strange_person » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:09 pm

Anna wrote:Why is a H-hold, a high developed technical device, only for laughs?
Wouldn't it be a waste of time to create such things only for laugh?
For what was it really create?
It was created in some other splay, and those in Bonkers K's worldline had to come up with the "just for laughs" thing to keep the boogs in line.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Jennifer Diane Reitz » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:39 pm

Anna wrote:Why is a H-hold, a high developed technical device, only for laughs?


Why develop incredibly expensive prosthetic devices and makeup to transform actors into animals, monsters, other people, famous people, deformed people, fat, thin, or mutated people for movies and television shows? Hell, the Fat Bastard suit for the Austin Powers movies alone cost a quarter of a million dollars to make.

Why? Because it's funny. Because there is a lot of money in show-business. Because people love to be amazed and will pay to be entertained. Pay a lot, actually. More money than god. Can you even imagine the wealth Hollywood pulls in? They regularly plunk down tens of millions of dollars on movies. Minimum. It only goes up from there.

It may be Tryslmaistan, but the humans in it are still humans. High-tech humans who have an entertainment industry just like ours.

If they can put out 100 million dollars to make a big-budget movie on earth, they can spend a mere three million Til to develop the H-Hold device in Tryslmaistan. And, to recoup costs, the company that created it can make it available to others, long after the movie was made, and eventually it just becomes another costume, another rental, another show-biz item you can find in a costume store. Like the high-quality prosthetic masks you can buy at stores in Hollywood during Halloween. Expensive, yes... but there are some seriously rich folks out there who like to party too.

This one should have been obvious.

I mean, think about it! If we had something as amazing as shape-shifting intelligent blobs on earth, wouldn't we do all kinds of crap with them in movies and films? Wouldn't they be just the best for special effects and such? H-Holds are only one spin off. There must be A-Holds (animal shapes of all sorts) and M-Holds (monsters for movies... with all kinds of weird attachments). A Jellese would be the ultimate stunt-man. They could do things no human could hope to do. They would be amazing in films.

If they made 'Harry Potter or 'Lord of the Rings' in Tryslmaistan, you can bet that Buckbeak and the Balrog, not to mention all the Goblins and Orcs and Gollum, would not be computer graphics... they would be Jellese using H-Holds, A-Holds, and M-Holds. The perfect adaptable actor. The perfect, ultimate stuntman. The ultimate special effect, and it would be real, on the set, really taking up space and being there for the human actors to react to. No green-screen in Tryslmaistan. They could just get some Jellese actors with Holds, and actually do it for real.

Can you imagine a Jellese in an H-Hold in a fight scene? They could store artificial blood bladders inside an inclusion space, and then get stabbed with a prop sword, the sword would actually appear to go into their body, and then blood would appear to shoot out all over, all as real as real could look.

Or how about a Jellese in an A-Hold playing the part of a talking dog or a singing horse or whatever? You could make 'Men In Black' with real, physical aliens! You could do a historical drama with what would appear to be the actual, real historical figures, perfect to the smallest detail, then have them do autograph signings for fans! No computer-generated person can do that.

The uses of a Jellese actor in an H-Hold (or any other type) would be so vastly worth the cost of developing such a device as to make the expenditure insignificant. It would naturally develop out of Boog Minstrel Shows, where Jellese do shape-shifting for comedy to entertain the humans that won't let them have real jobs.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Wizard CaT » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:50 pm

All of this just to show that you can't trust therapists.

Still can't wait to see what happens next.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby EvilMidnightLurker » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:57 pm

...at first, my mind processed the word "boog" as a Jellese gender word we hadn't previously encountered.

When the reality hit me? I nearly threw up in disgust and horror. :explode:

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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby RaharuAharu » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:11 pm

Is boog a kind of racial slur?
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Alikat » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:03 am

It's short for booger, you see... :(
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Mitsukara » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:45 am

So when splayport authorities are tracking a mover, and they say "we've spotted a bogey!", they're being racist?
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby NMcCoy » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:29 am

Er, hold it. Even if we're allowing for "sloppy" time travel (altering the past makes changes on a macro-level while miraculously preserving micro-random events; although the "parallel splays" where you somehow get identical people in entirely different cultures may as well support this), doesn't Kaye owe her very existence (not just her unique nature) to Deifica, i.e. a mutated Mundis dandelion?
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Ambi » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:13 am

NMcCoy wrote:doesn't Kaye owe her very existence (not just her unique nature) to Deifica, i.e. a mutated Mundis dandelion?

Yes... Kaye believes she'll be reborn as a normal Jellese when the humans are erased from history.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Dan » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:17 pm

Aha, someone even more poisonous than the guidance counselor from Boogiepop Phantom. And she might not even intend to hurt people; now that seems impressive.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby AMundisGuy » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:43 pm

Oh dear... At the root of it, there ALWAYS seems to be a well-meaning human or Jellese who is being just horrid and never even realizes it. Muri... Thilia... Millian... Dr. Godan... Muri & Crazy K...
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Jennifer Diane Reitz » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:57 pm

Dan wrote:Aha, someone even more poisonous than the guidance counselor from Boogiepop Phantom. And she might not even intend to hurt people; now that seems impressive.


Muri doesn't intend any harm; she honestly thinks she is doing what is best, what is the most kind and the most reasonable thing to do.

I have found that every single person I have ever encountered in my life that did me great or terrible wrong (with the exception of spiteful children in grade or high school) did so not because of a defined wish to do evil, or to cause hurt, but rather from a conviction that what they were doing was right, decent, moral, needful, just, or any other flavor of 'good'.

I am not saying they were not deluding themselves, or that they may well have been working to deny the spite they truly felt - I am sure in my feeling that many evil things have been done to me and those I care about by people strongly and robustly in denial of the cruelty they truly wished to inflict. Of course.

But adult people -in my experience- universally commit evils with the absolute conviction that they are doing good. 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' is, I think, incredibly valid, and very insightful.

As we see more of Kaye's flashback, pay attention to the world, the culture she came from. Note how things work, and then apply that as a culture, as a mindset within which Muri the therapist must work, and within which she is utterly embedded. She is a product of the morality of her society, and she is charged with helping people to function within it, as best as is possible.

I hope my readers may get from my works an understanding that there is no absolute 'good' or 'evil' as such, but just people doing the best they can despite being driven by both their own conflicted emotions and whatever arbitrary morality is unique to their culture.

In this light, it is possible to have sympathy for any villain, no matter what they have done. I am not saying that villains should not be dealt with, that they should not be contained, or stopped, or fought... just that it is possible to comprehend them as more than just an 'evildoer doin' evil'... as one dangerous, sociopathic moron once put it. Even he is just doing what he imagines is right, within his own group and his own beliefs and values.

I never create any character that is just evil or just good. There have been a few that I didn't bother over-explaining, but in my head they always have reasons, depth, and are sure they are doing right.

Personally, I think that this is good writing to do this. For anyone.
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Mesocyclone Goddess » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:21 pm

Kaye was very willing to defend her splay to Pho when she first met him. Of course, that is the difference between 16th century South America, where the conquistadors committed total genocide, putting even the North American European settlers to shame... and 20th-21st century North America, where the remaining Native Americans are either assimilated into an alien culture, entertaining others by means of resort casinos, or are living outside of everything else by choice in a conquered version of their former culture. It's sad to me because I am part Cherokee, yet "culturally" absolutely none of that tradition was given to me.

There is probably a widespread substance abuse problem among the Jellese in Kaye's home splay too. She almost hinted at that earlier, saying that they "found another way" to subdue the Jellese and it meant using the flowers. Goddess... was her mother forcibly drugged, or just "encouraged" to stay mind-blown on Deifica? Either way... if this line of thought is on the right track... wow. How repulsive. What a lovely little dystopia that must be. It's a wonder that Kaye was able to make anything at all out of herself. That is to be admired. And she is, in all likelihood, doomed. What a sickening damn waste. *scuttles off to re-read Pastel and its actual happy ending*
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Mitsukara » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:32 am

Of course, there is the question of how this will all actually turn out. I mean yes, obviously not in a great way, and things look particularly ill for Virtue, but...? Beyond that one particularly nasty, particularly cranial looking injury, we don't really know how anything is going to play out with certainty. Except of course that Kaye's plan will almost surely fail, since if it didn't, well, it would cancel out the story and such (and be one of those great self-causing paradoxes that never, ever, ever make sense and are really annoying...).

It bodes ill, but I must say I'm curious. I think it will be a strange turn of affairs, a mixed condition, but how? What will become of Kaye, of Pho, of clone Chou? Of Wai? And just what is Vola going to do with herself after she somehow gets stuck- and just how the heck did she wind up there of all places (and surely it's significant that it was briefly before Kaye and Pho's departure?), hmm? And of course: what is Only, how does Only relate to the equally mysterious yet more heroically inspiring- so far- Uni, and what vital role is Only going to play in this whole thing? What will it mean?

Not only is there the curiosity of how it will play out, but what the result is really going to be. I call a not-all-bad-but-a-little-bad-but-something-good.

(It's also a little neat how things turned out for all those other Kais and Kus and Kos and Cayes. Plus Kaye would seem to be responsible for creating CURSOR's basic shell in the first place if I understand correctly; and yes, the ascended could've probably used whatever for that purpose, but I have to wonder if there was a special reason they chose to use the CURSOR program. And in any case that turned out well.)

Of course, I also pull vague hope (but mostly uncertainty) from the end of UJ, so. *shrugs*
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby Ambi » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:11 pm

Friday it will end. And on Monday we'll see Bobby under the shower.

As for today, let me quote Marillion:
So tell me more
About the love that you rejected
Tell me more
About the trust you disrespected
I still don't know
Why did you hurt the very one
Why did you hurt the very one
That you should have protected
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Re: #299 Therapy

Postby meatwhichdreams » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:13 pm

I hope my readers may get from my works an understanding that there is no absolute 'good' or 'evil' as such, but just people doing the best they can despite being driven by both their own conflicted emotions and whatever arbitrary morality is unique to their culture.

In this light, it is possible to have sympathy for any villain, no matter what they have done. I am not saying that villains should not be dealt with, that they should not be contained, or stopped, or fought... just that it is possible to comprehend them as more than just an 'evildoer doin' evil'... as one dangerous, sociopathic moron once put it. Even he is just doing what he imagines is right, within his own group and his own beliefs and values.

I never create any character that is just evil or just good. There have been a few that I didn't bother over-explaining, but in my head they always have reasons, depth, and are sure they are doing right.

Personally, I think that this is good writing to do this. For anyone.


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