TSH # 321 - Boon


Kaye Haychold's ambitious plan

Re: TSH # 321 - Boon

Postby Alfador » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:10 pm

Skatche wrote:
Alikat wrote:
strange_person wrote:Not everything has to come 'from' somewhere.

Examples?


1. Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2. Nothing finite and contingent can cause itself.
3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4. Therefore, an infinite First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist.
5. We call this First Cause "God".


Points 1 and 2 are based on observations we've made, which may or may not hold true when extended back or forward far enough (though it is sound reasoning to assume for the moment that they do, and be prepared to modify those assumptions if contradictory evidence presents itself)... but point 3 is baseless speculation. In fact, if you trace causal chains back far enough, you will come to a point in every one where YOU cannot find an exact root cause for an event that is not pure speculation. Cosmologists have found evidence for what we have come to call "the Big Bang" in background microwave radiation. And? What was the cause of that? Many will say that there WAS none, that the Big Bang initiated space AND time, and that thus to speak of causes and effects before it is meaningless. Thereby throwing point 1 into serious question.

Also, many might take issue with point 5. Because, you know, we could call the First Cause the Flying Spaghetti Monster. //]

Skatche wrote:Guys, come on. I'm being facetious here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument


...Oh. Sorry!

Kirishala wrote:
Plasman wrote:Eeep. So, assuming time travel is possible, it is therefore possible that someone could actually one day be their own grandparent?!?
...That would have to be a "very special" episode of Jerry Springer right there. :roll:

Definitely, though its far from the most convoluted possible personal timeline, how about being your own mother and father with interesting psychological issues resulting from knowledge of that fact?


Oh, I love that one. :3
Arf! *wagwagwag*
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